Tejon Ranch Co. Announces Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE:TRC) reported Q3 2024 financial results with a net loss of $1.8 million ($0.07 per share), compared to a $0.3 million loss in Q3 2023. Revenue increased to $14.6 million from $12.0 million year-over-year. The company's Tejon Ranch Commerce Center maintains 100% occupancy of its 2.8 million square feet industrial portfolio. Notable developments include the upcoming Terra Vista at Tejon residential project, a new 510,500 square foot joint venture with Dedeaux Properties, and a Nestlé USA distribution facility under construction. The Outlets at Tejon achieved over 90% occupancy in its 10th anniversary year.
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE:TRC) ha riportato i risultati finanziari del terzo trimestre 2024 con una perdita netta di $1,8 milioni ($0,07 per azione), rispetto a una perdita di $0,3 milioni nel terzo trimestre 2023. I ricavi sono aumentati a $14,6 milioni rispetto ai $12,0 milioni dell'anno precedente. Il Tejon Ranch Commerce Center mantiene un'occupazione del 100% del suo portafoglio industriale di 2,8 milioni di piedi quadrati. Sviluppi notevoli includono il prossimo progetto residenziale Terra Vista at Tejon, una nuova joint venture di 510.500 piedi quadrati con Dedeaux Properties, e un impianto di distribuzione Nestlé USA in fase di costruzione. Gli Outlets at Tejon hanno raggiunto oltre il 90% di occupazione nel suo decimo anno di attività.
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE:TRC) reportó los resultados financieros del tercer trimestre de 2024 con una pérdida neta de $1.8 millones ($0.07 por acción), en comparación con una pérdida de $0.3 millones en el tercer trimestre de 2023. Los ingresos aumentaron a $14.6 millones desde $12.0 millones en el mismo período del año anterior. El Tejon Ranch Commerce Center mantiene una ocupación del 100% de su cartera industrial de 2.8 millones de pies cuadrados. Los desarrollos notables incluyen el próximo proyecto residencial Terra Vista at Tejon, una nueva empresa conjunta de 510,500 pies cuadrados con Dedeaux Properties, y una instalación de distribución de Nestlé USA en construcción. Los Outlets at Tejon lograron más del 90% de ocupación en su décimo año de aniversario.
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE:TRC)는 2024년 3분기 재무 결과를 발표했으며, 이는 180만 달러(주당 0.07달러)의 순손실을 기록했습니다. 이는 2023년 3분기 30만 달러의 손실에서 증가한 수치입니다. 수익은 전년 대비 1,460만 달러에서 1,200만 달러로 증가했습니다. Tejon Ranch Commerce Center는 280만 평방 피트의 산업 포트폴리오에서 100%의 점유율을 유지하고 있습니다. 눈여겨볼 만한 개발에는 곧 시작될 Terra Vista at Tejon 주거 프로젝트, Dedeaux Properties와의 51만 평방 피트 합작 투자, Nestlé USA 유통 시설 건설이 포함됩니다. Tejon의 아울렛들은 10주년 기념해 90% 이상의 점유율을 달성했습니다.
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE:TRC) a annoncé ses résultats financiers pour le troisième trimestre 2024, avec une perte nette de 1,8 million de dollars (0,07 dollar par action), contre une perte de 0,3 million de dollars au troisième trimestre 2023. Le chiffre d'affaires a augmenté pour atteindre 14,6 millions de dollars, contre 12,0 millions de dollars l'année précédente. Le Tejon Ranch Commerce Center maintient un taux d'occupation de 100% de son portefeuille industriel de 2,8 millions de pieds carrés. Parmi les développements notables figurent le prochain projet résidentiel Terra Vista at Tejon, un nouveau partenariat de 510 500 pieds carrés avec Dedeaux Properties, et un centre de distribution de Nestlé USA en cours de construction. Les Outlets at Tejon ont atteint plus de 90 % d'occupation lors de sa dixième année d'anniversaire.
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE:TRC) hat die finanziellen Ergebnisse für das 3. Quartal 2024 veröffentlicht, mit einem Nettoverlust von 1,8 Millionen Dollar (0,07 Dollar pro Aktie), verglichen mit einem Verlust von 0,3 Millionen Dollar im 3. Quartal 2023. Der Umsatz stieg auf 14,6 Millionen Dollar im Vergleich zu 12,0 Millionen Dollar im Jahresvergleich. Das Tejon Ranch Commerce Center hat eine 100%ige Auslastung seines 2,8 Millionen Quadratfuß großen Industrieportfolios. Zu den bemerkenswerten Entwicklungen gehören das bevorstehende Wohnprojekt Terra Vista at Tejon, ein neues Joint Venture mit Dedeaux Properties über 510.500 Quadratfuß und eine im Bau befindliche Vertriebsstelle von Nestlé USA. Die Outlets at Tejon erreichten im zehnten Jubiläumsjahr über 90% Auslastung.
- Revenue increased 21.7% YoY to $14.6 million in Q3 2024
- Industrial portfolio maintains 100% occupancy rate
- Commercial portfolio maintains 95% lease rate
- Outlets at Tejon achieves over 90% occupancy
- $141.3 million in total liquidity available
- Q3 2024 net loss increased to $1.8 million from $0.3 million YoY
- Mineral resources revenue decreased 34% to $7.7 million
- Farming operations impacted by higher production costs
- Poor pistachio crop yield due to insufficient chilling hours
- Debt to trailing twelve months adjusted EBITDA ratio at 7.4x
Insights
The Q3 2024 results reveal mixed performance with notable headwinds in agricultural operations. The
Key positives include the
The agricultural segment faces significant challenges in 2024, with insufficient chilling hours severely impacting pistachio production. The timing shift in harvest patterns and increased operational costs (fuel, fertilizer, pest control and labor) are pressuring margins. The grape segment suffered from poorly timed spring rains during bloom, leading to higher mildew control expenses.
However, there's a silver lining in the almond market, with industry estimates of 2.6 billion pounds for 2024 crop and reduced inventory supporting better pricing. The agricultural outlook remains cautious due to ongoing cost pressures and weather-related uncertainties, though improved water allocation at
TEJON RANCH, Calif., Nov. 07, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Tejon Ranch Co., or the Company, (NYSE:TRC), a diversified real estate development and agribusiness company, today announced financial results for the three and nine-months ended September 30, 2024.
“In the third quarter of 2024, we continued the momentum in key areas of the company's real estate portfolio. The company continues to make progress toward the opening of our first multi-family apartment community, Terra Vista at Tejon, during the first half of 2025. The company also announced a new joint-venture with Dedeaux Properties to develop a 510,500 square foot building in Tejon Ranch Commerce Center. The Outlets at Tejon celebrated their 10th anniversary and currently is over
Commercial/Industrial Real Estate Highlights
- The Tejon Ranch Commerce Center, or TRCC, industrial portfolio, through the Company's joint venture partnerships, consists of 2.8 million square feet of gross leasable area (GLA), and is
100% leased. In total, TRCC comprises 7.1 million square feet of GLA. - TRCC commercial portfolio, wholly owned and through joint venture partnerships, comprises 620,907 square feet of GLA and is
95% leased. - Construction of Terra Vista at Tejon Phase 1, the Company's multi-family residential development located in TRCC, is underway. Phase 1 includes 228 of the planned 495 residential units, with the first units becoming available in the first half of 2025 and the remaining units in this phase coming online soon thereafter. See www.tejonranchliving.com for further information.
- Construction of a new distribution facility for Nestlé USA is underway on the east side of TRCC, which will total more than 700,000 square feet.
- Outlets at Tejon is celebrating its 10-year anniversary in 2024, with occupancy over
90% as of September 30, 2024. - On October 4, 2024, a new joint venture with Dedeaux Properties was formed to develop, manage, and operate an industrial building of 510,500 square feet of space at TRCC-East.
Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results
- GAAP net loss attributable to common stockholders for the third quarter of 2024 was
$1.8 million , or net loss per share attributable to common stockholders, basic and diluted, of$0.07 . For the third quarter of 2023, the Company had net loss attributable to common stockholders of$0.3 million , or net loss per share attributable to common stockholders, basic and diluted, of$0.01 .- The primary driver of this decrease of
$1.5 million was the lack of pistachio crop yield in 2024, primarily due to insufficient chilling hours, coupled with 2024 being the down-production year following a substantial harvest last season. Historically, the pistachio harvest begins in the third quarter, but in 2023, the harvest was delayed due to unusual weather conditions. This delay impacted the timing of cost recognition, resulting in lower overall farming costs for the third quarter of 2023. - The above decrease was partially offset by the increase of
$2.2 million in Equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures mainly related to improved fuel margins at the Company's TA/Petro joint venture.
- The primary driver of this decrease of
- Revenues and other income, including equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures, for the third quarter of 2024 were
$14.6 million , compared with$12.0 million for the third quarter of 2023.- The primary driver of this increase was a
$2.2 million increase of equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures, due to the improved fuel margins at the Company's TA/Petro joint venture.
- The primary driver of this increase was a
- Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure, was
$5.6 million for the third quarter ended September 30, 2024, compared with$5.7 million for the same period in 2023.
Tejon Ranch Co. provides Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP financial measure, because management believes it offers additional information for monitoring the Company's cash flow performance. A table providing a reconciliation of Adjusted EBITDA to its most comparable GAAP measure, as well as an explanation of, and important disclosures about, this non-GAAP measure, is included in the tables at the end of this press release.
Year-to-Date Financial Results
- Net loss attributable to common stockholders for the first nine months of 2024 was
$1.8 million , or net loss per share attributed to common stockholders, basic and diluted, of$0.07 , compared with net income attributable to common stockholders of$1.7 million , or net income per share attributed to common stockholders, basic and diluted, of$0.06 , for the first nine months of 2023.
- The primary factor driving this change was the reduction in operating profits within the farming segment of
$4,365,000 m ainly due to 2024 being a down production year for pistachio crops as stated above.
- The primary factor driving this change was the reduction in operating profits within the farming segment of
- Revenues and other income, for the first nine months of 2024, including equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures, totaled
$33.2 million , compared with$35.2 million for the first nine months of 2023. Factors impacting the year-to-date results include:
- Mineral resources segment revenues were
$7.7 million for the first nine months of 2024, a decrease of$3.9 million , or34% , from$11.6 million for the first nine months of 2023. The reduction in revenues is primarily attributed to a decline in water sales revenue of$3.4 million due to back-to-back strong rainfall years in California, which severely limited water sales opportunities. - The above decrease was partially offset by an increase in equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures, and the main driver of the improved results was related to higher fuel margins at the TA/Petro joint venture.
- Mineral resources segment revenues were
Liquidity and Capital Resources
- As of September 30, 2024, total capitalization, including pro rata share (PRS) of unconsolidated joint venture debt, was approximately
$643.1 million , consisting of an equity market capitalization of$470.6 million and$172.5 million of debt, and our debt to total capitalization was26.8% . As of September 30, 2024, the Company had cash and securities totaling approximately$41.3 million and$100.1 million available on its line of credit, for total liquidity of$141.3 million . The ratio of total debt including pro rata share of unconsolidated joint venture debt, net of cash and securities, of$131.2 million , to trailing twelve months adjusted EBITDA of$17.8 million was 7.4x.
2024 Outlook:
The Company will continue to strategically pursue commercial/industrial development, multi-family development, leasing, sales, and investment within TRCC and its joint ventures. The Company also will continue to invest in advancing its residential projects, including Mountain Village at Tejon Ranch, Centennial at Tejon Ranch and Grapevine at Tejon Ranch.
California is one of the most highly regulated states in which to engage in real estate development and, as such, natural delays, including those resulting from litigation, can be reasonably anticipated. Accordingly, throughout the next few years, the Company expects net income to fluctuate from year-to-year based on the above-mentioned activity, along with commodity prices, production within its farming and mineral resources segments, and the timing of land sales and leasing of land within its industrial developments.
Water sales opportunities each year are impacted by the total precipitation and snowpack runoff in Northern California from winter storms, as well as State Water Project, or SWP, allocations. The current SWP allocation is at
The Company's farming operations in 2024 continue to be impacted by higher costs of production, such as fuel costs, fertilizer costs, pest control costs, and labor costs. The almond industry is estimating the 2024 almond crop at 2.6 billion pounds. This estimate along with a lower inventory carry forward has helped to improve pricing. The late spring rains negatively impacted 2024 grape production as the rains occurred during the grape bloom. The timing of the rains also increased cultural costs within grapes to fight higher levels of mildew in the vineyards.
About Tejon Ranch Co.
Tejon Ranch Co. (NYSE: TRC) is a diversified real estate development and agribusiness company, whose principal asset is its 270,000-acre land holding located approximately 60 miles north of Los Angeles and 15 miles south of Bakersfield.
More information about Tejon Ranch Co. can be found on the Company's website at www.tejonranch.com.
Forward Looking Statements:
The statements contained herein, which are not historical facts, are forward-looking statements based on economic forecasts, strategic plans and other factors, which by their nature involve risk and uncertainties. In particular, among the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially are the following: business conditions and the general economy, future commodity prices and yields, external market forces, the ability to obtain various governmental entitlements and permits, interest rates, and other risks inherent in real estate and agriculture businesses. For further information on factors that could affect the Company, the reader should refer to the Company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
(Financial tables follow)
TEJON RANCH CO. AND SUBSIDIARIES CONSOLIDATED BALANCE SHEETS (In thousands, except per share data) | |||||||
September 30, 2024 | December 31, 2023 | ||||||
(unaudited) | |||||||
ASSETS | |||||||
Current Assets: | |||||||
Cash and cash equivalents | $ | 27,369 | $ | 31,907 | |||
Marketable securities - available-for-sale | 13,892 | 32,556 | |||||
Accounts receivable | 2,783 | 8,352 | |||||
Inventories | 7,550 | 3,493 | |||||
Prepaid expenses and other current assets | 4,053 | 3,502 | |||||
Total current assets | 55,647 | 79,810 | |||||
Real estate and improvements - held for lease, net | 16,340 | 16,609 | |||||
Real estate development (includes | 374,341 | 337,257 | |||||
Property and equipment, net | 56,760 | 53,985 | |||||
Investments in unconsolidated joint ventures | 34,429 | 33,648 | |||||
Net investment in water assets | 56,024 | 52,130 | |||||
Other assets | 4,496 | 4,084 | |||||
TOTAL ASSETS | $ | 598,037 | $ | 577,523 | |||
LIABILITIES AND EQUITY | |||||||
Current Liabilities: | |||||||
Trade accounts payable | $ | 11,283 | $ | 6,457 | |||
Accrued liabilities and other | 6,565 | 3,214 | |||||
Deferred income | 1,721 | 1,891 | |||||
Total current liabilities | 19,569 | 11,562 | |||||
Revolving line of credit | 59,942 | 47,942 | |||||
Long-term deferred gains | 11,447 | 11,447 | |||||
Deferred tax liability | 8,282 | 8,269 | |||||
Other liabilities | 15,114 | 15,207 | |||||
Total liabilities | 114,354 | 94,427 | |||||
Commitments and contingencies | |||||||
Equity: | |||||||
Tejon Ranch Co. Stockholders’ Equity | |||||||
Common stock, | |||||||
Authorized shares - 50,000,000 | |||||||
Issued and outstanding shares - 26,814,680 at September 30, 2024 and 26,770,545 at December 31, 2023 | 13,408 | 13,386 | |||||
Additional paid-in capital | 347,939 | 345,609 | |||||
Accumulated other comprehensive loss | (142 | ) | (171 | ) | |||
Retained earnings | 107,115 | 108,908 | |||||
Total Tejon Ranch Co. Stockholders’ Equity | 468,320 | 467,732 | |||||
Non-controlling interest | 15,363 | 15,364 | |||||
Total equity | 483,683 | 483,096 | |||||
TOTAL LIABILITIES AND EQUITY | $ | 598,037 | $ | 577,523 | |||
TEJON RANCH CO. AND SUBSIDIARIES UNAUDITED CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF OPERATIONS ($ in thousands, except per share amounts) | |||||||||||||||
Three Months Ended September 30, | Nine Months Ended September 30, | ||||||||||||||
2024 | 2023 | 2024 | 2023 | ||||||||||||
Revenues: | |||||||||||||||
Real estate - commercial/industrial | $ | 3,002 | $ | 3,397 | $ | 8,497 | $ | 8,706 | |||||||
Mineral resources | 3,166 | 3,118 | 7,687 | 11,630 | |||||||||||
Farming | 3,242 | 2,642 | 4,249 | 4,852 | |||||||||||
Ranch operations | 1,446 | 1,052 | 3,518 | 3,384 | |||||||||||
Total revenues | 10,856 | 10,209 | 23,951 | 28,572 | |||||||||||
Costs and Expenses: | |||||||||||||||
Real estate - commercial/industrial | 2,088 | 2,137 | 6,005 | 5,517 | |||||||||||
Real estate - resort/residential | 328 | 367 | 2,316 | 1,079 | |||||||||||
Mineral resources | 1,812 | 2,000 | 5,043 | 6,991 | |||||||||||
Farming | 6,252 | 2,157 | 9,406 | 5,644 | |||||||||||
Ranch operations | 1,223 | 1,196 | 3,711 | 3,864 | |||||||||||
Corporate expenses | 2,945 | 2,315 | 8,794 | 6,824 | |||||||||||
Total expenses | 14,648 | 10,172 | 35,275 | 29,919 | |||||||||||
Operating (loss) income | (3,792 | ) | 37 | (11,324 | ) | (1,347 | ) | ||||||||
Other Income: | |||||||||||||||
Investment income | 528 | 700 | 1,843 | 1,775 | |||||||||||
Other (loss) income, net | (69 | ) | (30 | ) | (210 | ) | 272 | ||||||||
Total other income, net | 459 | 670 | 1,633 | 2,047 | |||||||||||
(Loss) income from operations before equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures and income tax | (3,333 | ) | 707 | (9,691 | ) | 700 | |||||||||
Equity in earnings of unconsolidated joint ventures, net | 3,329 | 1,161 | 7,611 | 4,616 | |||||||||||
(Loss) income before income tax | (4 | ) | 1,868 | (2,080 | ) | 5,316 | |||||||||
Income tax expense (benefit) | 1,832 | 2,215 | (286 | ) | 3,619 | ||||||||||
Net (loss) income | (1,836 | ) | (347 | ) | (1,794 | ) | 1,697 | ||||||||
Net loss attributable to non-controlling interest | — | (6 | ) | (1 | ) | (3 | ) | ||||||||
Net (loss) income attributable to common stockholders | $ | (1,836 | ) | $ | (341 | ) | $ | (1,793 | ) | $ | 1,700 | ||||
Net (loss) income per share attributable to common stockholders, basic | $ | (0.07 | ) | $ | (0.01 | ) | $ | (0.07 | ) | $ | 0.06 | ||||
Net (loss) income per share attributable to common stockholders, diluted | $ | (0.07 | ) | $ | (0.01 | ) | $ | (0.07 | ) | $ | 0.06 | ||||
Non-GAAP Financial Measure
This press release includes references to the Company’s non-GAAP financial measure “EBITDA.” EBITDA represents the Company's share of consolidated net income in accordance with GAAP, before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization, plus the allocable portion of EBITDA of unconsolidated joint ventures accounted for under the equity method of accounting based upon economic ownership interest, and all determined on a consistent basis in accordance with GAAP. EBITDA is a non-GAAP financial measure and is used by the Company and others as a supplemental measure of performance. Tejon Ranch uses Adjusted EBITDA to assess the performance of the Company's core operations, for financial and operational decision making, and as a supplemental or additional means of evaluating period-to-period comparisons on a consistent basis. Adjusted EBITDA is calculated as EBITDA, excluding stock compensation expense. The Company believes Adjusted EBITDA provides investors relevant and useful information because it permits investors to view income from operations on an unlevered basis before the effects of taxes, depreciation and amortization, and stock compensation expense. By excluding interest expense and income, EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA allow investors to measure the Company's performance independent of its capital structure and indebtedness and, therefore, allow for a more meaningful comparison of the Company's performance to that of other companies, both in the real estate industry and in other industries. The Company believes that excluding charges related to share-based compensation facilitates a comparison of its operations across periods and among other companies without the variances caused by different valuation methodologies, the volatility of the expense (which depends on market forces outside the Company's control), and the assumptions and the variety of award types that a company can use. EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA have limitations as measures of the Company's performance. EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA do not reflect Tejon Ranch's historical cash expenditures or future cash requirements for capital expenditures or contractual commitments. While EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA are relevant and widely used measures of performance, they do not represent net income or cash flows from operations as defined by GAAP, and they should not be considered as alternatives to those indicators in evaluating performance or liquidity. Further, the Company's computation of EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA may not be comparable to similar measures reported by other companies.
TEJON RANCH CO. Non-GAAP Financial Measures (Unaudited) | |||||||||||||||
Three Months Ended September 30, | Nine Months Ended September 30, | ||||||||||||||
($ in thousands) | 2024 | 2023 | 2024 | 2023 | |||||||||||
Net (loss) income | $ | (1,836 | ) | $ | (347 | ) | $ | (1,794 | ) | $ | 1,697 | ||||
Net loss attributable to non-controlling interest | — | (6 | ) | (1 | ) | (3 | ) | ||||||||
Interest, net | |||||||||||||||
Consolidated | (528 | ) | (700 | ) | (1,843 | ) | (1,775 | ) | |||||||
Our share of interest expense from unconsolidated joint ventures | 1,532 | 1,216 | 4,625 | 3,618 | |||||||||||
Total interest, net | 1,004 | 516 | 2,782 | 1,843 | |||||||||||
Income tax expense (benefit) | 1,832 | 2,215 | (286 | ) | 3,619 | ||||||||||
Depreciation and amortization: | |||||||||||||||
Consolidated | 1,216 | 1,028 | 3,137 | 3,003 | |||||||||||
Our share of depreciation and amortization from unconsolidated joint ventures | 1,695 | 1,393 | 4,989 | 4,005 | |||||||||||
Total depreciation and amortization | 2,911 | 2,421 | 8,126 | 7,008 | |||||||||||
EBITDA | 3,911 | 4,811 | 8,829 | 14,170 | |||||||||||
Stock compensation expense | 1,732 | 864 | 4,086 | 2,369 | |||||||||||
Adjusted EBITDA | $ | 5,643 | $ | 5,675 | $ | 12,915 | $ | 16,539 | |||||||
Summary of Outstanding Debt as of September 30, 2024 (Unaudited) | |||||||
Entity/Borrowing | Amount | % Share | PRS Debt | ||||
Revolving line-of-credit | $ | 59,942 | $ | 59,942 | |||
Petro Travel Plaza Holdings, LLC | 11,984 | 7,190 | |||||
TRCC/Rock Outlet Center, LLC | 20,626 | 10,313 | |||||
TRC-MRC 1, LLC | 21,642 | 10,821 | |||||
TRC-MRC 2, LLC | 21,414 | 10,707 | |||||
TRC-MRC 3, LLC | 32,952 | 16,476 | |||||
TRC-MRC 4, LLC | 61,144 | 30,572 | |||||
TRC-MRC 5, LLC | 52,984 | 26,492 | |||||
Total | $ | 282,688 | $ | 172,513 | |||
Capitalization and Debt Ratios (Unaudited) | |||
September 30, 2024 | |||
Period End Share Price | $ | 17.55 | |
Outstanding Shares | 26,814,680 | ||
Equity Market Capitalization as of Reporting Date | $ | 470,598 | |
Total Debt including PRS Unconsolidated Joint Venture Debt | $ | 172,513 | |
Total Capitalization | $ | 643,111 | |
Debt to total capitalization | 26.8 | % | |
Net debt, including PRS unconsolidated joint venture debt, to TTM adjusted EBITDA | 7.4 | ||
Tejon Ranch Co.
Brett A. Brown, 661-248-3000
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
Tejon Ranch Co.
Nicholas Ortiz 661-663-4212
Senior Vice President, Corporate Communications & Public Affairs
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