WNS Announces Fiscal 2025 Third Quarter Earnings, Revises Full Year Guidance

Rhea-AI Summary

WNS Holdings has reported its fiscal 2025 third quarter results with revenue of $333.0 million, showing a 2.1% year-over-year increase. The company's profit reached $48.6 million, up from $41.5 million in Q3 last year, with diluted earnings per share of $1.07.

Revenue less repair payments was $319.1 million, up 1.0% year-over-year. Growth was driven by new client additions and existing relationship expansions, but faced headwinds from the loss of a large Healthcare client and reduced online travel volumes. The company added 7 new clients and expanded 52 existing relationships.

WNS has revised its fiscal 2025 guidance, now expecting revenue less repair payments between $1,255-$1,271 million, representing a -2% to -1% change from fiscal 2024. Adjusted Net Income is projected to be between $205-$209 million, with adjusted diluted earnings per share forecasted at $4.46-$4.55.

Positive

• Revenue increased 2.1% YoY to $333.0 million
• Profit grew to $48.6 million from $41.5 million YoY
• Added 7 new clients and expanded 52 existing relationships
• Strong cash flow with $88.7 million generated from operations
• Days sales outstanding improved to 34 days from 38 days in previous quarter

Negative

• Loss of a large Healthcare client impacting revenue
• Reduced volumes in online travel segment
• Downward revision of full-year guidance
• Projected -2% to -1% decline in revenue less repair payments for fiscal 2025
• Reduction in discretionary project work

Insights

Financial Analyst

WNS's Q3 FY2025 results present a complex picture of resilience amid headwinds. Revenue grew 2.1% YoY to $333.0 million, while GAAP profit increased to $48.6 million from $41.5 million last year. However, the adjusted metrics reveal underlying pressures - ANI declined to $47.0 million from $58.5 million YoY.

Several key operational metrics deserve attention:

• Impressive client metrics with 7 new additions and 52 relationship expansions, demonstrating strong market position
• Exceptional working capital management with DSO at 34 days (down from 38 days QoQ)
• Robust cash generation of $88.7 million from operations
• Healthy deleveraging with $58.4 million debt repayment

The revised guidance indicates near-term challenges, with revenue growth expected to be slightly negative for FY2025. This reflects ongoing pressures from:

• Loss of a major healthcare client
• Reduced volumes in online travel
• Pullback in discretionary project spending

However, WNS's strategic positioning remains strong. The company's focus on domain-led process automation and GenAI investments should support long-term competitiveness. The healthy pipeline of large transformational deals could potentially accelerate growth in coming quarters.

The balance sheet remains solid with $231.5 million in cash/investments versus $199.6 million in debt. This financial flexibility, combined with strong cash generation, positions WNS well to navigate current headwinds while investing in growth initiatives.

NEW YORK & LONDON & MUMBAI, India--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- WNS (Holdings) Limited (WNS) (NYSE: WNS), a digital-led business transformation and services partner, today announced results for the fiscal 2025 third quarter ended December 31, 2024.

Highlights – Fiscal 2025 Third Quarter:

GAAP Financials Revenue of $333.0 million, up 2.1% from $326.2 million in Q3 of last year and up 3.2% from $322.6 million last quarter Profit of $48.6 million, compared to $41.5 million in Q3 of last year and $41.8 million last quarter Diluted earnings per share of $1.07, compared to $0.85 in Q3 of last year and $0.92 last quarter Non-GAAP Financial Measures* Revenue less repair payments of $319.1 million, up 1.0% from $315.9 million in Q3 of last year and up 2.7% from $310.7 million last quarter Adjusted Net Income (ANI) of $47.0 million, compared to $58.5 million in Q3 of last year and $51.5 million last quarter Adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1.04, compared to $1.19 in Q3 of last year and $1.13 last quarter Other Metrics Added 7 new clients in the quarter, expanded 52 existing relationships Days sales outstanding (DSO) at 34 days Global headcount of 63,390 as of December 31, 2024

As announced previously, beginning the first quarter of fiscal 2025, WNS transitioned from reporting to the SEC on the forms available to foreign private issuers and preparing its financial statements in accordance with IFRS to voluntarily reporting on US domestic issuer forms and preparing its financial statements in accordance with US GAAP. On July 9, 2024, WNS furnished a report on Form 8-K with the SEC containing a supplementary financial information package comprising its unaudited quarterly financial results for each of the quarters in fiscal 2024 and for full year fiscal 2024 and 2023 prepared in accordance with US GAAP. The supplementary financial information package sets forth the key impact on our quarterly financial statements for each of the quarters in fiscal 2024 and for full year fiscal 2024 and 2023 as a result of our transition to US GAAP. The comparative financial information in this release for the previous fiscal periods are also under US GAAP.

Reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures discussed below to our GAAP operating results are included at the end of this release. See also “About Non-GAAP Financial Measures.”

Revenue in the third quarter was $333.0 million, representing a 2.1% increase versus Q3 of last year and an increase of 3.2% from the previous quarter. Revenue less repair payments* in the third quarter was $319.1 million, increasing 1.0% year-over-year and 2.7% sequentially. Excluding exchange rate impacts, constant currency revenue less repair payments* in the fiscal third quarter was flat versus Q3 of last year and up 3.2% sequentially. Year-over-year, Q3 revenue growth driven by new client additions, the expansions of existing relationships, and favorable currency movements more than offset headwinds from the loss of a large Healthcare client, lower volumes in the online travel segment, and reductions in discretionary project work. Sequentially, broad-based revenue growth was partially offset by online travel volume reductions and unfavorable currency movements.

Profit in the fiscal third quarter was $48.6 million, as compared to $41.5 million in Q3 of last year and $41.8 million in the previous quarter. Year-over-year, profit increased as a result of a $13.7 million reversal of contingent consideration relating to our acquisition of The Smart Cube, reductions in share-based compensation and amortization of intangibles, and favorable currency movements. These benefits were partially offset by $9.5 million of non-recurring tax benefits in Q3 of fiscal 2024 and higher net interest expense. Sequentially, Q3 profit increased as a result of a net increase in contingent consideration reversals, higher revenue, and operating margin expansion. These benefits were partially offset by a one-time tax benefit in Q2 from the reversal of a deferred tax liability on intangibles.

Adjusted net income (ANI)* in Q3 was $47.0 million, as compared to $58.5 million in Q3 of last year and $51.5 million in the previous quarter. Explanations for the ANI* movements on a year-over-year and sequential basis are the same as described for GAAP profit above with the exception of amortization of intangible expenses, share-based compensation expense, impairment of intangible assets, costs associated with ADS program termination and transition to voluntarily reporting on US domestic issuer forms, acquisition-related items, and associated tax impacts which are excluded from ANI*.

From a balance sheet perspective, WNS ended Q3 with $231.5 million in cash and investments and $199.6 million in debt. In the quarter, the company generated $88.7 million in cash from operations, incurred $12.1 million in capital expenditures, and repaid $58.4 million in debt. Third quarter days sales outstanding were 34 days, as compared to 35 days reported in Q3 of last year and 38 days in the previous quarter.

“In the fiscal third quarter, WNS was able to re-accelerate sequential revenue growth, expand adjusted operating margin, and generate strong cash flow. Top line growth was driven by broad-based demand for domain-led process automation and cost reduction, including new logo additions and the expansion of existing client relationships,” said Keshav Murugesh, WNS’ Chief Executive Officer. “We continue to make solid progress moving large transformational opportunities through the pipeline, and are focused on closing these large deals to help accelerate revenue growth. In addition, WNS remains committed to our ongoing investments in domain expertise, data and analytics, and technology-enabled offerings leveraging AI and GenAI to ensure our ability to deliver long-term sustainable value to all of our stakeholders.”

Fiscal 2025 Guidance

WNS is updating guidance for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2025, as follows:

• Revenue less repair payments* is expected to be between $1,255 million and $1,271 million, as compared to $1,284.3 million in fiscal 2024. Guidance assumes an average GBP to USD exchange rate of 1.25 for the remainder of fiscal 2025.
• ANI* is expected to range between $205 million and $209 million versus $218.0 million in fiscal 2024. Guidance assumes an average USD to INR exchange rate of 85.5 for the remainder of fiscal 2025.
• Based on a diluted share count of 45.9 million shares, the company expects fiscal 2025 adjusted diluted earnings per share* to be in the range of $4.46 to $4.55 versus $4.42 in fiscal 2024.

“The company has updated our forecast for fiscal 2025 based on current visibility levels and exchange rates,” said Arijit Sen, WNS’ Chief Financial Officer. “Our guidance for the full year reflects revenue less repair payments* of -2% to -1% on a reported* basis, and -3% to -1% on a constant currency* basis as compared to fiscal 2024. ANI guidance includes a one-time benefit in Q4 of $12.2 million relating to a facility asset sale in India. For the year, we currently expect capital expenditures to be up to $60 million.”

* See “About Non-GAAP Financial Measures” and the reconciliations of the historical non-GAAP financial measures to our GAAP operating results at the end of this release.

Conference Call

WNS will host a conference call on January 23, 2025, at 8:00 am (Eastern) to discuss the company’s quarterly results. To access the call in “listen-only” mode, please join live via the company’s investor relations website at ir.wns.com. For call participants, please register using this online form to receive your dial-in number and unique PIN/passcode which can be used to access the call. A replay of the webcast will be archived on the company website at ir.wns.com.

About WNS

WNS (Holdings) Limited (NYSE: WNS) is a digital-led business transformation and services partner. WNS combines deep domain expertise with talent, technology, and AI to co-create innovative solutions for over 600 clients across various industries. WNS delivers an entire spectrum of solutions including industry-specific offerings, customer experience services, finance and accounting, human resources, procurement, and research and analytics to re-imagine the digital future of businesses. As of December 31, 2024, WNS had 63,390 professionals across 66 delivery centers worldwide including facilities in Canada, China, Costa Rica, India, Malaysia, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States. For more information, visit www.wns.com.

Safe Harbor Statement

This release contains forward-looking statements, as defined in the safe harbor provisions of the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions about our Company and our industry. Generally, these forward-looking statements may be identified by the use of terminology such as “anticipate,” “believe,” “estimate,” “expect,” “intend,” “will,” “seek,” “should” and similar expressions. These statements include, among other things, expressed or implied forward-looking statements relating to discussions of our strategic initiatives and the expected resulting benefits, our growth opportunities, industry environment, our expectations concerning our future financial performance and growth potential, including our fiscal 2025 guidance, estimated capital expenditures, and expected foreign currency exchange rates. Forward-looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. Such risks and uncertainties include but are not limited to worldwide economic and business conditions, our dependence on a limited number of clients in a limited number of industries; currency fluctuations; political or economic instability in the jurisdictions where we have operations; regulatory, legislative and judicial developments; increasing competition in the BPM industry; technological innovation; our liability arising from fraud or unauthorized disclosure of sensitive or confidential client and customer data; telecommunications or technology disruptions; our ability to attract and retain clients; negative public reaction in the US or the UK to offshore outsourcing; our ability to collect our receivables from, or bill our unbilled services to our clients; our ability to expand our business or effectively manage growth; our ability to hire and retain enough sufficiently trained employees to support our operations; the effects of our different pricing strategies or those of our competitors; our ability to successfully consummate, integrate and achieve accretive benefits from our strategic acquisitions, and to successfully grow our revenue and expand our service offerings and market share; future regulatory actions and conditions in our operating areas; our ability to manage the impact of climate change on our business; and volatility of our share price. These and other factors are more fully discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 20-F and subsequent reports on Form 6-K and Form 8-K filed with or furnished to the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) which are available at www.sec.gov. We caution you not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. Except as required by law, we do not undertake to update any forward-looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances.

References to “$” and “USD” refer to the United States dollars, the legal currency of the United States; references to “GBP” refer to the British pound, the legal currency of Britain; and references to “INR” refer to Indian Rupees, the legal currency of India. References to GAAP or US GAAP refer to United States generally accepted accounting principles. References to IFRS refer to International Financial Reporting Standards, as issued by the International Accounting Standards Board.

WNS (HOLDINGS) LIMITED
CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF INCOME
(Unaudited, amounts in millions, except share and per share data)
		Three months ended
		Dec 31, 2024				Dec 31, 2023				Sep 30, 2024
Revenue		$	333.0			$	326.2			$	322.6
Cost of revenue (1)			216.4				211.9				207.3
Gross profit			116.6				114.3				115.3
Operating expenses:
Selling and marketing expenses			20.1				20.3				21.3
General and administrative expenses			44.4				45.5				45.3
Foreign exchange loss/ (gain), net			(0.3	)			0.5				0.4
Amortization of intangible assets			7.1				8.6				7.0
Operating income			45.2				39.4				41.3
Other income, net			(17.3	)			(4.1	)			(8.6		)
Interest expense			4.7				3.7				5.8
Income before income tax expense			57.9				39.8				44.1
Income tax expenses			9.3				(1.8	)			2.3
Net income		$	48.6			$	41.5			$	41.8
Earnings per share
Basic		$	1.12			$	0.88			$	0.96
Diluted		$	1.07			$	0.85			$	0.92
Weighted average number of shares used in computing earnings per share
Basic			43,403,903				47,124,360				43,457,284
Diluted			45,205,037				49,083,704				45,416,308
(1) Exclusive of amortization expense

WNS (HOLDINGS) LIMITED
CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL POSITION
(Unaudited, amounts in millions, except share and per share data)
		As at Dec 31, 2024				As at Mar 31, 2024
ASSETS
Current assets:
Cash and cash equivalents		$	101.6			$	87.4
Investments			129.5				156.5
Accounts receivable, net			124.3				124.6
Unbilled revenue			98.0				107.8
Funds held for clients			6.9				6.9
Derivative assets			7.8				5.8
Contract assets			15.4				11.9
Prepaid expense and other current assets			32.0				28.7
Assets held for sale			2.9				—
Total current assets			518.3				529.7
Goodwill			350.7				356.3
Other intangible assets, net			114.1				124.4
Property and equipment, net			70.0				73.7
Operating lease right-of-use assets			173.2				181.4
Derivative assets			2.7				1.9
Deferred tax assets			56.2				49.9
Investments			0.3				0.3
Contract assets			58.8				52.8
Other assets			65.4				63.6
TOTAL ASSETS		$	1,409.8			$	1,434.1
LIABILITIES AND SHAREHOLDERS’ EQUITY
Current liabilities:
Accounts payable		$	24.1			$	25.0
Provisions and accrued expenses			35.0				31.2
Derivative liabilities			10.5				4.0
Pension and other employee obligations			92.0				105.4
Short-term borrowings			—				40.0
Current portion of long-term debt			56.4				36.7
Contract liabilities			17.3				12.9
Income taxes payable			6.0				8.3
Operating lease liabilities			28.8				28.8
Other liabilities			15.7				19.9
Total current liabilities			285.8				312.0
Derivative liabilities			2.6				0.6
Pension and other employee obligations, less current portion			24.2				24.6
Long-term debt, less current portion			143.1				102.5
Contract liabilities			19.4				12.6
Operating lease liabilities, less current portion			153.1				161.1
Other liabilities			0.1				13.9
Deferred tax liabilities			18.4				19.4
TOTAL LIABILITIES		$	646.7			$	646.8
Shareholders' equity:
Share capital (ordinary shares $0.16 (£0.10) par value, authorized 60,000,000 shares; issued: 46,232,623 shares and 45,684,145 shares; each as at December 31, 2024 and March 31, 2024, respectively)			7.4				7.3
Additional paid-in capital			28.0				—
Retained earnings			1,156.2				1,034.4
Other reserves			3.6				6.1
Accumulated other comprehensive loss			(282.5	)			(260.6	)
Total shareholders’ equity including shares held in treasury		$	912.8			$	787.3
Less: 2,800,000 shares as at December 31, 2024 and Nil shares as at March 31, 2024, held in treasury, at cost			(149.7	)			—
Total shareholders’ equity		$	763.1			$	787.3
TOTAL LIABILITIES AND SHAREHOLDERS’ EQUITY		$	1,409.8			$	1,434.1

About Non-GAAP Financial Measures

The financial information in this release includes certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe more accurately reflect our core operating performance. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to our GAAP operating results are included below. A more detailed discussion of our GAAP results is contained in “Part I –Item 5. Operating and Financial Review and Prospects” in our annual report on Form 20-F filed with the SEC on May 10, 2024.

Revenue less repair payments is a non-GAAP financial measure that is calculated as (a) revenue less (b) in our BFSI segment, payments to repair centers for “fault” repair cases where WNS acts as the principal in its dealings with the third party repair centers and its clients. WNS believes that revenue less repair payments for “fault” repairs reflects more accurately the value addition of the business process management services that it directly provides to its clients. For more details, please see the discussion in “Part I – Item 5. Operating and Financial Review and Prospects – Overview” in our annual report on Form 20-F filed with the SEC on May 10, 2024.

Constant currency revenue less repair payments is a non-GAAP financial measure. We present constant currency revenue less repair payments so that revenue less repair payments may be viewed without the impact of foreign currency exchange rate fluctuations, thereby facilitating period-to-period comparisons of business performance. Constant currency revenue less repair payments is presented by recalculating prior period’s revenue less repair payments denominated in currencies other than in US dollars using the foreign exchange rate used for the latest period, without taking into account the impact of hedging gains/losses. Our non-US dollar denominated revenues include, but are not limited to, revenues denominated in pound sterling, South African rand, Australian dollar and Euro.

WNS also presents or discusses (1) adjusted operating margin, which refers to adjusted operating profit (calculated as operating profit / (loss) excluding goodwill & intangible impairment, share-based compensation expense, acquisition-related expenses or benefits, costs related to the exchange of ADSs to ordinary shares, costs related to change to US GAAP reporting and voluntarily filing on US domestic issuer forms with SEC and amortization of intangible assets) as a percentage of revenue less repair payments, (2) ANI, which is calculated as profit excluding goodwill & intangible impairment, share-based compensation expense, acquisition-related expenses or benefits, costs related to the termination of ADS program and listing of ordinary shares, costs related to the transition to voluntarily reporting on US domestic issuer forms and amortization of intangible assets and including the tax effect thereon, (3) Adjusted net income margin, which refers to ANI as a percentage of revenue less repair payments, and other non-GAAP financial measures included in this release as supplemental measures of its performance.

Acquisition-related expenses or benefits consists of transaction costs, integration expenses, employment-linked earn-out as part of deferred consideration and changes in the fair value of contingent consideration including the impact of present value thereon. WNS presents these non-GAAP financial measures because it believes they assist investors in comparing its performance across reporting periods on a consistent basis by excluding items that are non-recurring in nature and those it believes are not indicative of its core operating performance. In addition, it uses these non-GAAP financial measures (i) to evaluate the effectiveness of its business strategies and (ii) (with certain adjustments) as a factor in evaluating management’s performance when determining incentive compensation. WNS is excluding acquisition-related expenses as described above with effect from fiscal 2023 second quarter.

These non-GAAP financial measures are not meant to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for WNS’ financial results prepared in accordance with US-GAAP.

The company is not able to provide our forward-looking GAAP revenue, profit and earnings per share without unreasonable efforts for a number of reasons, including our inability to predict with a reasonable degree of certainty the payments to repair centers, our future share-based compensation expense under US-GAAP (Share Based payments), amortization of intangibles and acquisition-related expenses or benefits associated with future acquisitions, goodwill impairment and currency fluctuations. As a result, any attempt to provide a reconciliation of the forward-looking GAAP financial measures (revenue, profit, earnings per share) to our forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures (revenue less repair payments*, ANI* and Adjusted diluted earnings per share*, respectively) would imply a degree of likelihood that we do not believe is reasonable.

Reconciliation of revenue (GAAP) to revenue less repair payments (non-GAAP) and constant currency revenue less repair payments (non-GAAP)
		Three months ended											Three months ended Dec 31, 2024 compared to
		Dec 31, 2024			Dec 31, 2023			Sep 30, 2024					Dec 31, 2023		Sep 30, 2024
		(Amounts in millions)											(% growth)
Revenue (GAAP)		$	333.0		$	326.2		$		322.6			2.1%		3.2		%
Less: Payments to repair centers			13.9			10.3				11.9			34.7%		16.3		%
Revenue less repair payments (non-GAAP)		$	319.1		$	315.9		$		310.7			1.0%		2.7		%
Exchange rate impact			0.2			3.4				(1.3	)
Constant currency revenue less repair payments (non-GAAP)		$	319.3		$	319.3		$		309.4			0.0%		3.2		%

Reconciliation of operating income (GAAP to non-GAAP)
		Three months ended
		Dec 31, 2024				Dec 31, 2023				Sep 30, 2024
		(Amounts in millions)
Operating income (GAAP)		$	45.2			$	39.4			$	41.3
Add: Share-based compensation expense			8.6				13.1				8.3
Add: Amortization of intangible assets			7.1				8.6				7.0
Add: Acquisition-related expenses			0.7				1.0				0.6
Add: Costs related to the transition to voluntarily reporting on US domestic issuer forms			0.1				—				0.4
Adjusted operating income (non-GAAP)		$	61.7			$	62.1			$	57.7
Operating income as a percentage of revenue (GAAP)			13.6	%			12.1	%			12.8	%
Adjusted operating income as a percentage of revenue less repair payments (non-GAAP)			19.3	%			19.7	%			18.6	%

Reconciliation of net income (GAAP) to ANI (non-GAAP)
		Three months ended
		Dec 31, 2024				Dec 31, 2023				Sep 30, 2024
		(Amounts in millions, except per share data)
Net income (GAAP)		$	48.6			$	41.5			$	41.8
Add: Share-based compensation expense			8.6				13.1				8.3
Add: Amortization of intangible assets			7.1				8.6				7.0
Add: Acquisition-related expenses / (benefits), net (1)			(12.8	)			1.2				(3.5	)
Add: Costs related to the transition to voluntarily reporting on US domestic issuer forms			0.1				—				0.4
Less: Tax impact on above (2)			(4.6	)			(6.0	)			(2.5	)
Adjusted Net Income (non-GAAP)		$	47.0			$	58.5			$	51.5
Net income as a percentage of revenue (GAAP)			14.6	%			12.7	%			13.0	%
Adjusted net income as a percentage of revenue less repair payments (non-GAAP)			14.7	%			18.5	%			16.6	%
Adjusted diluted earnings per share (non-GAAP)		$	1.04			$	1.19			$	1.13
(1) Acquisition related expenses / (benefits) includes reversal of contingent consideration related to acquisition of OptiBuy in September 2024 and Smart Cube in December 2024.
(2) The company applies GAAP methodologies in computing the tax impact on its non-GAAP ANI adjustments (including amortization of intangible assets, acquisition-related expenses and share-based compensation expense). The company’s non-GAAP tax expense is generally higher than its GAAP tax expense if the income subject to taxes is higher considering the effect of the items excluded from GAAP profit to arrive at non-GAAP profit.

 

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FAQ

What was WNS's revenue growth in Q3 fiscal 2025?

WNS reported revenue of $333.0 million in Q3 fiscal 2025, representing a 2.1% increase compared to Q3 of the previous year.

How many new clients did WNS add in Q3 fiscal 2025?

WNS added 7 new clients and expanded 52 existing relationships during the third quarter of fiscal 2025.

What is WNS's revised revenue guidance for fiscal 2025?

WNS revised its guidance for revenue less repair payments to be between $1,255 million and $1,271 million for fiscal 2025.

What was WNS's profit in Q3 fiscal 2025?

WNS reported a profit of $48.6 million in Q3 fiscal 2025, compared to $41.5 million in Q3 of the previous year.

What is WNS's projected adjusted EPS for fiscal 2025?

WNS expects adjusted diluted earnings per share to be in the range of $4.46 to $4.55 for fiscal 2025.