BM Technologies Reports Record Results for Second Quarter & First Half of 2021
BM Technologies reported strong Q2 2021 results, achieving GAAP revenues of $22.9 million, a 48% increase year-over-year. Core EBITDA rose to $5.2 million, marking an 11x increase since last year. Despite a $1.8 million net loss due to noncash charges, core earnings improved to $1.2 million. Serviced deposits surged 137% year-over-year to $1.6 billion, with debit card spending increasing 19%. The company aims for a 2021 EBITDA target between $20 million and $22 million.
- Q2 2021 GAAP revenues of $22.9 million, up 48% YOY.
- Core EBITDA of $5.2 million, an 11x increase YOY.
- Serviced deposits increased 137% YOY to $1.6 billion.
- Average new business serviced deposits grew 616% YOY.
- GAAP net loss of $1.8 million due to a $3.1 million noncash revaluation.
Q2 2021 Core EBITDA of
RADNOR, Pa., Aug. 11, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- BM Technologies Inc. (NYSE American: BMTX) (“BM Technologies,” “BMTX,” “we,” or the “Company”) one of the largest digital banking platforms in the country, today reported record results for the first half of 2021.
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS
- Q2 2021 GAAP revenues of
$22.9 million , a48% increase compared to Q2 2020. Q2 2021 core1 revenues were$22.7 million , a46% increase compared to Q2 2020. - Q2 2021 GAAP net loss of
$1.8 million due to a$3.1 million noncash loss on the revaluation of the private warrant liability. - Core earnings1 were
$1.2 million in Q2 2021, or$0.10 per diluted share, compared to a core net loss of$4.1 million , or -$0.67 per diluted share in Q2 2020. - Q2 2021 Core EBITDA1 totaled
$5.2 million , which increased 11x YOY; EBITDA margin was23% in Q2 2021 compared to (3)% in Q2 2020. - Continued positive operating leverage. Q2 2021 core revenue increased
$7.1 million , or46% compared to Q2 2020, while core operating expenses (excluding depreciation and amortization) increased$1.4 million , or9% . - Strong liquidity. Cash totaled
$19.6 million at June 30, 2021. The company repaid$5.4 million of borrowings in Q2 2021; there is currently zero balance on its$10.0 million line of credit.
BUSINESS HIGHLIGHTS
- Average serviced deposits totaled
$1.6 billion in Q2 2021, a126% increase compared to Q2 2020. Average new business serviced deposits increased616% compared to Q2 2020. - Debit card spend was
$828 million in Q2 2021, a19% increase compared to Q2 2020. New business debit spend increased91% compared to Q2 2020. - Higher Education Organic Deposits (deposits that are not part of a school disbursement) for the 3 months ended June 30, 2021 increased
7% year over year to$566 million , and for the 6 months ended June 30, 2021 increased29% year over year to$1.2 billion . - Increasing serviced deposits, debit card spend, and organic deposits are strong indicators of improving engagement and primary banking behavior.
- Our high volume, low-cost customer acquisition strategy continues to yield a customer acquisition cost (CAC) below
$10 per active account.2 - Un-annualized revenue per 90 day active account increased
41% YOY to$45 in Q2 2021. - Approximately 200,000 new accounts opened in 1H 2021
- BMTX announced a key product partnership this quarter for credit monitoring and identity protection; we also signed a Workplace Banking distribution partner, and signed agreements with 8 new colleges and universities.
- BMTX recently announced plans to serve banks and credit unions with our "Banking-as-a-Service" (BaaS) product offering.
Luvleen Sidhu, BMTX’s Chair, Chief Executive Officer, and Founder commented, "We are excited to announce record results for the second quarter and first half of 2021, reflecting strong revenue growth and improving profitability. We generated
Business Update
BMTX operates in 3 verticals: higher education and student banking, white label banking and workplace banking.
Higher Education & Student Banking
During the first half of 2021 we retained more than
We are excited about our continued expansion in the higher education vertical; in the second quarter we signed a contract with a partner to provide credit monitoring and identity protection services to enhance our product offering. We also signed contracts with 8 new colleges and universities across the U.S. providing 47K more students access to BankMobile Disbursements and BankMobile Vibe checking accounts annually. Additionally, we continue working towards the launch of a co-branded BankMobile Google Plex account next year, which we expect will result in more students choosing a BankMobile account to receive their refund.
"New Business" (White Label and Workplace Banking)
We continue to experience significant growth in our "new" business, with Q2 2021 year-over-year growth of
In late 2020, we launched our workplace banking business. We see considerable opportunity to partner with employers, financial benefit marketplaces, and other fin-tech companies to provide financial services benefits, including competitive checking accounts, savings accounts, and lending products to employees. Our workplace banking product includes a partnership with Prudential Financial, Inc. to provide financial wellness services; this year we announced a partnership with GoAskJay, a direct-to-consumer insurance and financial marketplace.
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS
Q2 2021 GAAP revenues totaled
Core EBITDA3 totaled
YOY Change | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
(dollars in thousands) | Q2 2021 | Q1 2021 | Q4 2020 | Q3 2020 | Q2 2020 | $ | % | |||||||||||||||||
Interchange and card revenue | $ | 7,186 | $ | 8,351 | $ | 6,232 | $ | 7,377 | $ | 6,069 | $ | 1,117 | 18 | % | ||||||||||
Deposit servicing fees | 10,387 | 9,089 | 6,782 | 5,718 | 5,145 | 5,242 | 102 | % | ||||||||||||||||
Account fees | 2,641 | 2,686 | 2,791 | 2,789 | 2,819 | (178 | ) | (6 | ) | % | ||||||||||||||
University fees | 1,331 | 1,324 | 1,292 | 1,348 | 1,395 | (64 | ) | (5 | ) | % | ||||||||||||||
Other | 1,156 | 2,650 | 154 | 1,010 | 124 | 1,032 | NM | |||||||||||||||||
Core Revenues3 | $ | 22,701 | $ | 24,100 | $ | 17,251 | $ | 18,242 | $ | 15,552 | $ | 7,149 | 46 | % | ||||||||||
Servicing fee adjustment | 192 | 283 | 80 | 96 | (120 | ) | 312 | NM | ||||||||||||||||
Total GAAP oper. revenues | 22,893 | 24,383 | 17,331 | 18,338 | 15,431 | 7,462 | 48 | % | ||||||||||||||||
Core OpEx (Excl. Dep/Amor)3 | $ | 17,530 | $ | 15,370 | $ | 15,715 | $ | 14,561 | $ | 16,088 | 1,442 | 9 | % | |||||||||||
Servicing fee adjustment | 192 | 283 | 80 | 96 | (120 | ) | 312 | (260 | ) | % | ||||||||||||||
Merger expense | — | — | 287 | 377 | 25 | (25 | ) | (100 | ) | % | ||||||||||||||
Non-cash equity compensation | 10 | 3 | 98 | 93 | 106 | (96 | ) | (91 | ) | % | ||||||||||||||
Non-cash software write-down | 1,248 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Depreciation and amortization | 2,950 | 2,960 | 3,042 | 2,601 | 3,045 | (95 | ) | (3 | ) | % | ||||||||||||||
Total GAAP oper. expenses | $ | 20,682 | $ | 18,616 | $ | 20,470 | $ | 17,728 | $ | 19,144 | 1,538 | 8 | % | |||||||||||
Core EBITDA3 | $ | 5,171 | $ | 8,730 | $ | 1,535 | $ | 3,681 | $ | (536 | ) | $ | 5,707 | NM | ||||||||||
Core EBITDA Margin3 | 23 | % | 36 | % | 9 | % | 20 | % | (3 | ) | % |
NM refers to changes greater than
Interchange and card revenue increased
Q2 2021 GAAP expenses, including depreciation and amortization, totaled
An updated version of BMT’s investor presentation will be posted on the Company’s Investor Relations website at ir.bmtxinc.com.
2021 OUTLOOK
“We continue to demonstrate strong performance in Q2 2021 and are pleased to announce that we beat consensus estimates for revenue and EBITDA4. We are excitedly working towards expanding our existing product partnerships, adding new white label partners, launching a co-branded BankMobile Google Plex account in partnership with Google, and expanding our workplace banking vertical. We remain on track to reach our 2021 EBITDA target of
EARNINGS WEBCAST
The company will host a live webcast to discuss its first quarter results at 9AM on Thursday, August 12, 2021. The webcast can be accessed via its investor relations site (https://ir.bmtxinc.com/) by clicking on "Events & Presentations", then "Events Calendar," and following the link under "Upcoming Events;" or directly at
https://event.on24.com/wcc/r/3194056/1BCA483973BF96219C8FAC34DA199D5D.
Contact Information
Investors:
Bob Ramsey
Chief Financial Officer, BM Technologies, Inc. (BMTX)
571-236-8851
rramsey@bmtx.com
Media Inquiries:
Sara Klein
Rubenstein Public Relations, Inc.
212-805-3018
sklein@rubensteinpr.com
ABOUT BM TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
BM Technologies, Inc. (NYSE American: BMTX)—formerly known as BankMobile—is among the largest digital banking platforms in the U.S., providing access to checking and savings accounts, personal loans, credit cards, and financial wellness. It is focused on technology, innovation, easy-to-use products, and education with the mission of being “customer-obsessed” and creating “customers for life.” The BM Technologies (BMTX) digital banking platform employs a multi-partner distribution model, known as “Banking-as-a-Service” (BaaS), that enables the acquisition of customers at higher volumes and substantially lower expense than traditional banks, while providing significant benefits to its customers, partners and business. BM Technologies (BMTX) currently has approximately two million accounts and provides disbursement services at approximately 735 college and university campuses (covering one out of every three college students in the U.S.). BM Technologies, Inc. (BMTX) is a technology company and is not a bank, which means it provides banking services through its partner bank. More information can also be found at www.bmtx.com.
FORWARD LOOKING STATEMENTS
This release may contain “forward-looking statements” within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that involve risks and uncertainty. Words such as “anticipate,” “estimate,” “expect,” “intend,” “plan,” and “project” and other similar words and expressions are intended to signify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future results and conditions but rather are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Such statements are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. Investors are cautioned that there can be no assurance actual results or business conditions will not differ materially from those projected or suggested in such forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, general economic conditions, consumer adoption, technology and competition, the ability to enter into new partnerships, regulatory risks, risks associated with the higher education industry and financing, and the operations and performance of the Company’s partners, including white-label partners, and other factors described in the section entitled “Risk Factors” and in the Company’s periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”). The Company’s SEC filings are available publicly on the SEC website at www.sec.gov. The Company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, unless required by law.
UNAUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
BM TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF INCOME (LOSS) - UNAUDITED
(amounts in thousands, except earnings per share)
For the Three Months Ended June 30, | For the Six Months Ended June 30, | ||||||||||||||||||||||
2021 | 2020 | 2021 | 2020 | ||||||||||||||||||||
Operating revenues: | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Interchange and card revenue | $ | 7,186 | $ | 6,069 | $ | 15,537 | $ | 12,676 | |||||||||||||||
Servicing fees from partner bank | 10,579 | 5,024 | 19,951 | 9,789 | |||||||||||||||||||
Account fees | 2,641 | 2,819 | 5,327 | 5,728 | |||||||||||||||||||
University fees | 1,331 | 1,395 | 2,655 | 2,680 | |||||||||||||||||||
Other | 1,156 | 124 | 3,806 | 316 | |||||||||||||||||||
Total operating revenues | 22,893 | 15,431 | 47,276 | 31,189 | |||||||||||||||||||
Operating expenses: | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Technology, communication, and processing | 8,924 | 7,870 | 17,576 | 13,948 | |||||||||||||||||||
Salaries and employee benefits | 7,170 | 6,640 | 12,593 | 14,105 | |||||||||||||||||||
Professional services | 2,126 | 1,170 | 3,863 | 5,128 | |||||||||||||||||||
Provision for operating losses | 1,401 | 1,024 | 2,730 | 1,907 | |||||||||||||||||||
Occupancy | 284 | 386 | 636 | 805 | |||||||||||||||||||
Customer related supplies | 186 | 472 | 661 | 523 | |||||||||||||||||||
Advertising and promotion | 125 | 210 | 316 | 427 | |||||||||||||||||||
Merger and acquisition related expenses | — | 25 | — | 75 | |||||||||||||||||||
Other | 466 | 1,347 | 923 | 2,117 | |||||||||||||||||||
Total operating expenses | 20,682 | 19,144 | 39,298 | 39,035 | |||||||||||||||||||
Income (loss) from operations | 2,211 | (3,713 | ) | 7,978 | (7,846 | ) | |||||||||||||||||
Non-operating expenses: | |||||||||||||||||||||||
(Loss) gain on fair value of private warrant liability | (3,056 | ) | — | 11,947 | — | ||||||||||||||||||
Interest expense | (42 | ) | (399 | ) | (96 | ) | (793 | ) | |||||||||||||||
(Loss) income before income tax expense | (887 | ) | (4,112 | ) | 19,829 | (8,639 | ) | ||||||||||||||||
Income tax expense | 949 | 7 | 2,776 | 14 | |||||||||||||||||||
Net (loss) income | $ | (1,836 | ) | $ | (4,119 | ) | $ | 17,053 | $ | (8,653 | ) | ||||||||||||
Basic shares outstanding | 11,900 | 6,123 | 11,900 | 6,123 | |||||||||||||||||||
Diluted shares outstanding | 11,900 | 6,123 | 13,314 | 6,123 | |||||||||||||||||||
Basic earnings (loss) per common share | $ | (0.15 | ) | $ | (0.67 | ) | $ | 1.43 | $ | (1.41 | ) | ||||||||||||
Diluted earnings (loss) per common share | $ | (0.15 | ) | $ | (0.67 | ) | $ | 0.38 | $ | (1.41 | ) |
BM TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
CONSOLIDATED BALANCE SHEETS — UNAUDITED
(amounts in thousands)
June 30, 2021 | December 31, 2020 | ||||||
ASSETS | |||||||
Cash and cash equivalents | $ | 19,589 | $ | 2,989 | |||
Accounts receivable | 8,257 | 7,384 | |||||
Prepaid expenses and other current assets | 1,786 | 2,348 | |||||
Total current assets | 29,632 | 12,721 | |||||
Premises and equipment, net | 349 | 401 | |||||
Developed software, net | 34,155 | 39,657 | |||||
Goodwill | 5,259 | 5,259 | |||||
Other intangibles, net | 4,910 | 5,070 | |||||
Other assets | 740 | 853 | |||||
Total assets | $ | 75,045 | $ | 63,961 | |||
LIABILITIES AND SHAREHOLDERS’ EQUITY | |||||||
Liabilities: | |||||||
Accounts payable and accrued liabilities | $ | 13,617 | $ | 7,346 | |||
Taxes payable | 1,317 | — | |||||
Payable to partner bank | 7,117 | 5,105 | |||||
Borrowings from partner bank | — | 21,000 | |||||
Current portion of operating lease liabilities | 719 | 701 | |||||
Deferred revenue, current | 4,763 | 2,588 | |||||
Total current liabilities | 27,533 | 36,740 |
Non-current liabilities: | |||||||||
Operating lease liabilities | 55 | 430 | |||||||
Deferred revenue, non-current | 1,512 | 2,101 | |||||||
Liability for private warrants | 18,893 | — | |||||||
Total liabilities | $ | 47,993 | $ | 39,271 | |||||
Commitments and contingencies (Note 8) | |||||||||
Shareholders’ equity: | |||||||||
Preferred stock: Par value | |||||||||
Common stock: Par value | 1 | 1 | |||||||
Additional paid in capital | 49,326 | 64,017 | |||||||
Accumulated deficit | (22,275 | ) | (39,328 | ) | |||||
Total shareholders’ equity | $ | 27,052 | $ | 24,690 | |||||
Total liabilities and shareholders’ equity | $ | 75,045 | $ | 63,961 |
NON-GAAP FINANCIAL RECONCILIATIONS - UNAUDITED
Certain financial measures used in this Press Release are not defined by U.S. generally accepted accounting principles (“GAAP”) and as such are considered non-GAAP financial measures. Core revenues, expenses, and EBITDA exclude the effects of items we do not consider indicative of our core operating performance, including fair value mark to market income or expense associated with certain warrants. Management believes the use of core revenues, expenses, and EBITDA are appropriate to provide investors with an additional tool to evaluate the Company's ongoing business performance. Investors are cautioned that these non-GAAP financial measures may not be defined in the same manner by other companies and, as a result, may not be comparable to other similarly titled measures used by other companies. Also, these non-GAAP financial measures should not be construed as alternatives, or superior, to other measures determined in accordance with GAAP.
Reconciliation - GAAP Revenues to Core Revenues (in thousands):
Q2 2021 | Q1 2021 | Q4 2020 | Q3 2020 | Q2 2020 | ||||||||||||||||
GAAP revenues | $ | 22,893 | $ | 24,383 | $ | 17,331 | $ | 18,338 | $ | 15,431 | ||||||||||
Servicing fee adjustment5 | (192 | ) | (283 | ) | (80 | ) | (96 | ) | 121 | |||||||||||
Core Revenues | $ | 22,701 | $ | 24,100 | $ | 17,251 | $ | 18,242 | $ | 15,552 |
Reconciliation - GAAP Operating Expenses to Core Operating Expenses (in thousands):
Q2 2021 | Q1 2021 | Q4 2020 | Q3 2020 | Q2 2020 | ||||||||||||||||
GAAP total expenses | $ | 20,682 | $ | 18,616 | $ | 20,470 | $ | 17,728 | $ | 19,144 | ||||||||||
Servicing fee adjustment 4 | (192 | ) | (283 | ) | (80 | ) | (96 | ) | 120 | |||||||||||
Merger expenses | — | — | (287 | ) | (377 | ) | (25 | ) | ||||||||||||
Non-cash software write-down | — | — | (1,248 | ) | — | — | ||||||||||||||
Non-cash equity compensation | (10 | ) | (3 | ) | (98 | ) | (93 | ) | (106 | ) | ||||||||||
Core Operating Expenses inc Dep and Amor | $ | 20,480 | $ | 18,330 | $ | 18,757 | $ | 17,162 | $ | 19,133 | ||||||||||
Less: Depreciation and amortization | 2,950 | 2,960 | 3,042 | 2,601 | 3,045 | |||||||||||||||
Core Operating Expenses ex. Dep and Amor | $ | 17,530 | $ | 15,370 | $ | 15,715 | $ | 14,561 | $ | 16,088 |
Reconciliation - GAAP Net Income (Loss) to Core Net Income (Loss) (in thousands)
Q2 2021 | Q1 2021 | Q4 2020 | Q3 2020 | Q2 2020 | ||||||||||||||||
GAAP net income (loss) | $ | (1,836 | ) | $ | 18,889 | $ | (3,390 | ) | $ | 251 | $ | (4,119 | ) | |||||||
Add: (loss) gain on FV of private warrant liability | 3,056 | (15,003 | ) | — | — | — | ||||||||||||||
Add: non-cash loss on software write-down | — | — | 1,248 | — | — | |||||||||||||||
Add: merger expenses | — | — | 287 | 377 | 25 | |||||||||||||||
Less: tax (@ | — | — | (414 | ) | (102 | ) | (7 | ) | ||||||||||||
Core net income (loss) | $ | 1,220 | $ | 3,886 | $ | (2,269 | ) | $ | 526 | $ | (4,101 | ) | ||||||||
Core diluted shares | 11,976 | 15,512 | 6,123 | 6,123 | 6,123 | |||||||||||||||
Core diluted earnings (loss) per share | $ | 0.10 | $ | 0.25 | $ | (0.37 | ) | $ | 0.09 | $ | (0.67 | ) |
Reconciliation - GAAP Net Income to Core EBITDA (in thousands)
Q2 2021 | Q1 2021 | Q4 2020 | Q3 2020 | Q2 2020 | |||||||||||||||
GAAP net income (loss) | $ | (1,836 | ) | $ | 18,889 | $ | (3,390 | ) | $ | 251 | $ | (4,119 | ) | ||||||
Add: (loss) gain on FV of private warrant liability | 3,056 | (15,003 | ) | — | — | — | |||||||||||||
Add: depreciation and amortization | 2,950 | 2,960 | 3,042 | 2,601 | 3,045 | ||||||||||||||
Add: interest | 42 | 54 | 248 | 353 | 399 | ||||||||||||||
Add: taxes | 949 | 1,827 | 2 | 7 | 7 | ||||||||||||||
Add: non-cash equity compensation | 10 | 3 | 98 | 93 | 106 | ||||||||||||||
Add: non-cash loss on software write-down | — | — | 1,248 | — | — | ||||||||||||||
Add: merger expenses | — | — | 287 | 377 | 25 | ||||||||||||||
Core EBITDA | $ | 5,171 | $ | 8,730 | $ | 1,535 | $ | 3,681 | $ | (536 | ) |
Key Performance Metrics - 5 Quarters
YoY Change | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2Q20 | 3Q20 | 4Q20 | 1Q21 | 2Q21 | $ | % | ||||||||||||||||||||
Debit card POS spend ($ millions) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Higher education | $ | 606 | $ | 633 | $ | 567 | $ | 735 | $ | 661 | $ | 55 | 9 | % | ||||||||||||
New business | 88 | 108 | 114 | 145 | 167 | 80 | 91 | % | ||||||||||||||||||
Debit card POS spend - total | $ | 694 | $ | 741 | $ | 681 | $ | 880 | $ | 828 | $ | 134 | 19 | % | ||||||||||||
Serviced deposits ($ millions) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Higher education | $ | 500 | $ | 645 | $ | 405 | $ | 665 | $ | 506 | $ | 6 | 1 | % | ||||||||||||
New business | 163 | 299 | 555 | 892 | 1,063 | 900 | 553 | % | ||||||||||||||||||
Ending service deposits - total | $ | 663 | $ | 944 | $ | 960 | $ | 1,557 | $ | 1,569 | $ | 906 | 137 | % | ||||||||||||
Higher education | $ | 552 | $ | 541 | $ | 511 | $ | 600 | $ | 573 | $ | 21 | 4 | % | ||||||||||||
New business | 138 | 217 | 418 | 717 | 986 | 848 | 616 | % | ||||||||||||||||||
Average service deposits - total | $ | 690 | $ | 758 | $ | 928 | $ | 1,317 | $ | 1,558 | $ | 869 | 126 | % | ||||||||||||
Higher Education Metrics | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Higher education retention | 99.8 | % | 99.7 | % | 99.4 | % | 99.5 | % | 99.5 | % | (0.3 | ) | % | |||||||||||||
FAR(1) disbursement amount ($ billions) | $ | 5.6 | $ | 3.3 | $ | 1.9 | $ | 4.2 | $ | 2.3 | $ | (3.3 | ) | (60 | ) | % | ||||||||||
Organic deposits (2) - higher education | $ | 527 | $ | 501 | $ | 438 | $ | 651 | $ | 566 | $ | 39 | 7 | % |
(1) FAR disbursements are Financial Aid Refund disbursements from a higher education institution.
(2) Organic Deposits are all higher education deposits excluding any funds disbursed directly from the school.
1 Core metrics are non-GAAP measures which exclude the effects of fair value gains and losses on our warrant liability and other items we do not consider indicative of our core operating performance. A reconciliation is included on pages 3 and 4 of this release.
2 CAC is calculated based on trailing twelve month (TTM) total Marketing and Client Operations expense, net of subscription fees paid to BMTX for higher education clients, divided by TTM newly active accounts.
3 Core metrics are Non-GAAP measures which adjust revenues to exclude certain items; a reconciliation appears on page 3 and 4 of this release.
4 S&P Capital IQ reported consensus Q2 2021 EBITDA and revenue estimates of
5 Core revenue and expense are adjusted to remove fraud losses from expense and the reimbursement by BMTX's bank partner from revenues.
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